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There are plenty of anarchocapitalists and libertarians who support bitcoinSV. Roger is being very disingenuous. Very disingenuous. Ancaps want PRIVATE LAW! (Myself included). Other ppl want laws but don't understand how it could be done privately. What we all have in common... we all want LAW! debate ancap vs minarchist all you like in the real world but bitcoin has to live in the REAL WORLD and facilitate due legal process... evidence... whilst maintaining privacy for users. Bitcoin SV gives you best of both worlds. Both of you lack the technical knowledge to even know what you're talking about. Bitcoin SV is private for users but not anonymous for miners. (This is also true of BCH... meaning they can be shut down for breach of law).
ok, so currently the security of the network is based on the "hash" power or cumulative computing power protecting the network. To keep it simple, the more total computing power the more secure. You can get more computing power by A) more people running the program on their computers OR also by B)centralizing massive computing power to only a few big players. "Bigger blocks" means that more computing power is required to run the program, so normal people cant run the program anymore on their computers so only big companies and massive operations can. Of course large central computers can form a network and communicate quickly, but that model is already what we have today AND its much less secure, it forces you to trust the big players AND because less total people are running the program the "HASH" power is lower on a centralized network and much more susceptible to A 51% attack (a stronger computer attacks it). BTC is slower and more expensive because its more secure and can not be hacked. Currently there is probably not enough computer power in the world to sustain a 51% attack on BTC. So with that said, BTC and BCH are both free market competitors to the FED, we have choice, the choice is yours, as it should be.
Bitcoin is the tool that we made to take back the money. The FED has 100% control of the money and lending supply therefore 100% control of the economy and we do not vote for them. Nothing else matters until everyone uses Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, free our money like speech. Only the free mkt can save us. Then in the future wont have Anarchy, we replace 90% of the gov "representatives" who can be corrupted with public open source algorithms which will take us down a new path. A decentralized tokenized ecosystem that can stay in equilibrium through direct p2p and real free market that has never before been possible!
Did you see the live demonstration? 10:50 That is raw bitcoin. Notice how simple and easy it is. There is no added complexity such as the Lightning Network. Also, neither party needs a "full node" daemon running at home on a DIY computer. Are you getting the point? (psst: You're the one being scammed.)
This discussion is as hollow and empty as these men's souls.
Shill employs shill to shill his shilling.
Nobody with a brain is fooled.
A perfect example of how money never makes the man and often ruins him.
Many don't realize the huge amount of damage the 'hodlers' have done to the Bitcoin use case especially when compared to the goals of the Lightning Network. Considering one can't hold the opposite views of 'hodling" and cheap micro-transactions at the same time. Put another way, it sounds like the LN people are trying to pry the Bitcoin out of the hodlers possession.
No. It's not true Roger :). Hi did not say that want to support evil Government. and you clearly understand that I'm sure Because you are enough smart. Just now pretend.
Here is a clear message: "We saw this in action as Silk Road was taken down, then Silk Road 2.0 was taken down and then the corrupt FBI agent who stole bitcoin was caught and arrested."
He, speak about equal rights for all. And hi did not see a society with no law. As I don't believe too.
Your vision is impossible. Only for a small group of people.
And It is clear that your personal interests are more important than changes in society.
no. Bitcoin SV WILL be the governance system. We need regulation for adoption. we need acceptance by government if we want p2p money for the world. Government is not bad if they are not corrupt.. bitcoin prevents corruption.
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Roger doesn't follow his own arguments any more which he used to use against Core who attacked Bitcoin system in BTC and changed it into SegWit shitcoin with no capacity, as he is now going against Bitcoin system also, because of his Anarchist tendencies (because he got locked up for selling fire crackers on ebay without license, as they fall into explosives category) and now he sided with those ABC crooks who have changed the way BCH works, no longer following Bitcoin fundamentals... so Roger showed that he not in favor of original Bitcoin system and that he wants something that works differently.
Bitcoin BSV is the one that maintains to work as original Bitcoins system... its continuation of original blockchain since 2009.
BTC is SegWit altcoin fork created in 2017 and BCH is DSV/CTOR/CentralisedCheckpoints altcoin created in 2018
BSV is actual Bitcoin
Bitcoin is what it was created as, legal (law neutral) system that creates decentralisation, trace-ability, accountability, not Anarchy, not ability to do illegal things and hide from the law, only crooks, Mafia, criminals, corrupt government and capitalists that control them, are the ones who would want a system that they can use to do illegal things, money laundering, funding terrorism and so on... this is NOT what Bitcoin should be about at all.
Bitcoin is about Freedom to transact, its about Decentralisation, its about level playing field, its about accountability.. and Roger here... clearly doesn't want that.
How many heard a saying ""history is written by the winners"? If all history was written on blockchain, immutable record of TRUTH, changing historical facts, making shit up and hiding truth from the public, would not be possible... and this is another one of the reasons why we need a system that leaves trace, and not giving ability for crooks and liars to tailor history as they see fit.
Roger claims he is for freedom, but freedom for what? Illegal activity? Freedom from accountability? That is not freedom, we need freedom from crooks, ability to have evidence to prosecute ANYONE who does illegal things, so that everyone can be held accountable... and also, to eliminate private central banks and their Fiat monopoly.. which will help with getting rid of corrupt governments... and hopefully wars won't be able to be funded with money that doesn't exist.
I opened an account with GoldMoney.com about 15 years ago. I told them I would fully fund it as soon as they had signed up enough merchants selling in gold to give me a practical marketplace. They said they were "working on it". I waited for years and no progress. Now I am waiting for a Bitcoin cash Amazon like marketplace, e.g., everything is priced in it or gold or both.
are you open to a temporary alternative like Bitpay? It's not ideal to support visa or pay Bitpay's not so bad fees, but it's an alternative to transition into paying with crypto for now, i really like my bitpay card for the most part, i dont work for them or anything i just found your comment interesting. hodl hard bro :)
The idea of wanting anarchy is not what you think it is, do we want lands to be completely lawless where people steal, kill and destroy and there is not law in place to deter such actions, anarchy is like loosing hell on earth, looks worse than ww2 and deeds even more horrific than that. Plus you probably would be killed even having a BTC wallet if full blown anarchy occurs on earth, respect authority be thankful we have them be blessed in this world where its not like the middle ages where vikings can come and destroy your home and kill your family. Please end this madness of wanting anarchy.
+doughtymqan hence you are an example of someone who doesn't understand what anarchy is, anarchy in its true essence is chaos, laws bring order, anarchy and people taking what is right and wrong into their own hands is chaos.
Jews took it over... not socialists or whatever . you libertarians sound like liars and idiots when u say and push these terms that everyone knows is bullshit at this point... Its Jews leading the way on all of our ill's and everyone is waking up it
The first coin that can stand against BTC's volatility ie goes up or stays the same when BTC goes up or down, will be the one coin. So far, everyone bows to BTC.
Where I agree with Roger on the need for government free cash, I haven't seen it yet, at least not one that stands alone.
BTC miners should have never allowed Core/Blockstream to hijack the github and dictate them. but because they are all short term profits driven assholes who didn't give a shit about long term usability of the Bitcoin system, they allowed shitcoins to be created, and they allowed Core/Blockstream to dictate, to sabotage usability, to hack BTC with SegWit, to add RBF without telling anyone... and lots of other things. But this will all sort itself out in due time. BTC is dead already, and every other shitcoin also.
The only thing that will survive and flourish is original Bitcoin system blockchain which scales on-chain... and that is Bitcoin BSV.
All the crooks, shitcoins traders/gamblers and their sheeple followers, are in for a rude awakening in the future...
I used lighting network the other day for free. Sorry but the notion that thousands of computers should store transactions worth less than a penny forever is just stupid.... Roger is an idiot, calling people who understand economics better than him socialists.. He is the elitist that wants to control others. I’m every bit the anarchist he is and calling bitcoiners socialists shows how dishonest he is.
Roger picked the wrong team
>Non Pow consensus (UASF)
>Substituting off chain for on chain (lightning network, LBtc)
>Non Pow consensus (arbitrary, centralized block validation every 10 blocks, avalanche)
>Substituting off chain for on chain (Wormhole Cash)
ABC another blockstream company
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+sneaking_ weasel crypto is just like any other commodity that has a price. when you can create money at will, you will inevitably bid prices up. this is an economic law. the fact there are only 21 million bitcoin is absolutely irrelevant.
+aciid lol all you want, fool. If you knew anything at all, you would know that the early Bitcoin transactions were p2p ( pay to IP ) and required both parties to be online at the same time. Bitcoin with the LN, therefore, is closer to the original design than bcash by a long way. When you browse the internet you require many hundreds of servers and hosting services to be on line, simultaneously or it won't work. Its not a new concept. Would you therefore suggest that the internet is useless?
+Roger Ver, CEO of Bitcoin.com Absolutely correct, they require routing. This is how peer to peer connections work. When you open a webpage, there is no direct, single connection between your PC and their architecture. Your connection is automatically routed through the internet, via several servers, in various geographical locations that all need to be online at the time as your connection attempt. If one server goes down as your viewing the various sections of their website, your connection will automatically be re-routed through the internet to restore your service and you may experience a slight delay. Even if you ssh into a Raspberry Pi that is right in front of you in your own home, your connection still takes one hop through your router. Even then it is not a direct connection.
When you open a Lightning channel, you require specific 3 pieces of information about with whom you are connecting. You require their node ID, IP address and a specific port. It doesn't get more peer-to-peer than that. A good example is p2p filesharing. Whilst downloading a torrent from various sources, your client will let you view the IP address of the individual(s) with which you are currently connected and some other info. Both you and the other party need to be online at the same time. However, your connection is still routed automatically through many servers across the planet as explained above.
Sneaking Weasel, LN payments require routing. That means other people are routing the payments. If other people are routing the payments, then it is not peer to peer. A broadcast network is clearly peer to peer.
+Tronz Flowwi You cannot just say something and have it be true, If you think that I am wrong, you should be able to explain exactly why. Bitcoin & Litecoin transactions made via the Lightning Network are peer-to-peer. Standard, on-chain Bitcoin, bch & Litecoin transactions are not p2p, that is a broadcast network. So explain how I'm wrong..
+CryptoAnarchy Agreed... until you already HAVE everything you need--- then it's time to convert your remaining capital into metals. That said, there may come a day when a box of 22LR will be worth more than a 1oz gold coin... (Kind of like the alchemists from the days of old-- turning lead into gold!)
bch transactions are not peer to peer. how many times will i have to post this? Bitcoin transactions are already fungible via Wasabi wallet and coinjoin not to mention all transactions via the Lightning Network that settle in one second.
+Crypto Cleanse Exactly. p2p is right there in the title. Bitcoin currently allows for p2p transactions via LN, bch does not. I've engaged in conversation with some complete retards in my time but you definitely take the biscuit.
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